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celia wrote on May 26, 2009 3:24 PM:

" p.s. I do see the bigger picture and am much more involved than this little blog. I will plant seeds of thought, fairness, equality and justice wherever I can and wherever they are needed. They are sorely needed in Kern county!As a woman I can vote because of women who stood up. So I stand up to the wrong of H8. Noone is better off for the passage of H8! Someday justice will catch up, just as it did for blacks, women, interacial marriage...and this is how it's done... "




DB wrote on May 20, 2009 11:12 AM:

" Myrtle, If you're trying to make a point, at least take the time to get your facts straight. Gay people do not choose to be gay. I think you need more education in this regard so you can stop spewing out misinformation when trying to frame an argument. "




opie wrote on May 16, 2009 10:15 AM:

" Straight not narrow: I don’t fault Celia for being angry, or for fighting. She’s fighting a good fight. What’s more, she’s under attack whether she fights or not; there’s nothing fair about that. I just think she lashes out too readily at people who pose no actual threat to her. She needs to see the bigger picture and her place in it. What’s going on in this blog is important, but it’s small. "




straight not narrow wrote on May 16, 2009 8:32 AM:

" RE: opie-Wow, I know Celia and the term "bully" is so far from who she is. And she's so "angry" that every time I see her she smiles and waves. The true bullies are the ones who voted to take rights away from her, Al and millions of others. If Al and Celia are angry about that, I don't blame them.How would you feel if strangers voted on your marriage? How would you feel if people called you "abnormal" among all the other horrible things that have come up in this blog? "




opie wrote on May 15, 2009 11:22 PM:

" Ceila: Regarding the letter you referred to in your post: Is this really your idea of “fun and amusing”? I don’t trust that. I think you’re full of rage. You’ve made an important mark on our community, your cause is going better than you think, and you need to lighten up. Same with Al, who’s angrier than his supporters want to acknowledge. You’re fighting with old people; don’t you realize that? You need to watch out that you don't become a bully. "




straignt not narrow wrote on May 15, 2009 1:22 PM:

" RE: straight real straight...Wow I pitty your perception. I don't see where Al hates anybody but all you "straight christians" sure seem to hate him....Just because someone expresses an opinion different than your's doesn't make them wrong.And I've never read anything about Al's sex life, but, again that's where many of the so called christians go to. It is interesting that it's the most educated people you fear the most. Since Al has been on both sides, maybe he knows what he's talking about. Most of you "straights" just make assumptions and we know what that means... "




straight not narrow wrote on May 15, 2009 1:15 PM:

" RE: aware of Wicca -so you say you pray for someone to be "viable"....I guess you think that's nice... but it's really a put down....then you say she should leave? And I don't get this "window period"you speak of. This seems very twisted to me as well as very confusing.BTW Wicca is a peaceful, non-judgemental path..very unlike your post.Perhaps next time you pray it sould be for yourself... I like the post by Celia,perhaps you know she makes valid points and that seems like a threat, but, really, she seems to just want people to think. Good idea! "




celia wrote on May 15, 2009 10:14 AM:

" re:aware of wicca-First, check the rules of letters, chances are you are breaking some. Second, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Third,I am a caring and viable person, anyone who really knows me can attest to that.Fourth, I've owned a house and lived here for over 5 years. Just how long must one live here in order to not be called a newcomer? And I'm not leaving just because you have some issues.So guess what? We need to just get along. I refer you to my letter"What really matters".Oh and. whoever you are, I pray for you too.... "




8qrdb to Aware of Wicca wrote on May 15, 2009 9:03 AM:

" There’s plenty of appreciation for both you and Celia right here. As I recall, you were the one who said you were leaving, then Celia encouraged that. Why don’t you both stay and find some gentler ways of communicating? It isn’t gentle of you to suggest that Ceila is not a caring or viable person. If your prayers are full of put-downs to the people that you pray for, it’s no wonder that your prayers aren’t being answered. "




Aware of Wicca wrote on May 15, 2009 1:23 AM:

" Celia, if the Editor would post my comments to you, you would see the hope I have for you, but I am not her favorite writer like Al, you and Peg, so you can't see that I am praying for your healing and restoration to a caring and viable person. You're the newcomer, you leave, I have been here a very long time, and plan to stay, but I was hoping to find a window for you to go where you are appreciated by people who think like you do...oh well, I tried! "




Straight real straight wrote on May 13, 2009 7:36 PM:

" Obviously, this is your first day at school! Al had a front page wedding in this newspaper! A first for this conservative valley who always vote for the people, not individuals who have some kind of an agenda. This thread has nothing to do with his or anyone elses life, except that he writes hate blogs regarding people and people who believe in God! He blasphemes constantly, and he is a former divinity student, degreed yet! Saints above! "




8qrdb wrote on May 13, 2009 3:23 PM:

" I’m not bothered that you’re straight, straight real straight. Nor am I convinced or interested. I’d just like you to point out what fact or facts were twisted in Al’s letter. Can you do that? When did this become a thread about your sex life? "




Straight real straight wrote on May 13, 2009 12:25 PM:

" Too late people who back Al Steuart....I have long ago contributed to the peaceful, healthy, and Godly way of bearing children, my contribution was 2 sons, who are married to WOMEN! I have grandchildren who are also normal! Does that bother you that I am straight? I have never been bothered/maleigned by anyone who is not straight until reading the bullying, hateful mail posted by people here who do not understand humanity! I don't care what you do in your bedroom, just don't try to make me like it and vote for it? "




To straight real straight wrote on May 12, 2009 8:36 AM:

" You have procreation confused with cloning. No, Al can’t duplicate himself, but neither can you. "




to straight wrote on May 12, 2009 8:02 AM:

" That was downright rude and intentionally hurtful! You didn't have to say anything at all! I hope that YOU don't procreate....the world certainly doesn't need another hateful one like you either. "




Straight real straight wrote on May 11, 2009 10:44 PM:

" Reading back over this whole blog, I ran across a statement that not all people should pro-create; well I for one, am grateful that Al Steuart is like he is, he is in a relationship where he cannot duplicate himself with his chosen "life partner"....Praise God...no more duplicates from that pair! "




asteuart wrote on May 10, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Re: Wise Counselor comment on 4/27 - I requested weekly donations to Compassion Caravan? I did not - see my 4/26 comment. Is "accuracy in reading" positively correlated with "level of education?" Anyone know? I don't know if any child or adult in the area is starving - but each time we drop-off food items and donations to the three charities, they are appreciative. Last week I received a "thank you" note from God's Storehouse including "These are truly hard times and we need your help." So what help have you given? "




celia wrote on Apr 28, 2009 8:02 PM:

" AP. I'm the first to admit I'm not a great speller and have some typo's here and there. But I think you might want to consult a dictionary.Actually, this "condone/condemn" thing is a perfect example of what happened with bible translation. Think about it;imagine how different things are taken if the translaters had a spelling error.....esp. a condone/condemn mix up.... "




h2dQn wrote on Apr 28, 2009 7:25 PM:

" AP, I feel pretty sure she’s not condoning Al’s lifestyle. The trouble with her letter is that she never says what fact or facts were twisted in Al’s letter. She quotes a “point” she thinks he made, but no point is made in the quote. She also speculates unkindly on his childhood—-what in Al’s letter prompted that? I’d like to know what fact or facts Al got wrong in the minds of the people condemning him and the hungry people he is helping. Can someone be specific, please? "




AP wrote on Apr 28, 2009 4:38 PM:

" After reading all the comments here, and seeing how people think Myrtle is being a Bigot or is twisting the facts, I think it is those people who are misunderstanding what was said by her. She's not saying let people starve, just go to the charieties directly rather than through the caravan. She's not condoning Mr. Stewart himself, just his lifestyle. If she's condoning anything is Mr.s Stewarts slamming constantly of the religious beliefs of many people within the valley. Yes, he has that right to do so, but too much is too much. "




9Bjrf wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:48 AM:

" I’m relieved you haven’t been hurt, Mrytle, by having your bigotry examined as if you were a specimen, some model of hypocrisy or small town ignorance. Stay humble, and in time you’ll come to see the good you’ve done here. You have my personal thanks for making me aware of the Compassion Caravan; they’re the real heroes of the day. God loves you and has used you well. "




celia wrote on Apr 28, 2009 11:21 AM:

" Will somebody please explain the"homosexual lifestyle" to me? I'm curious to see what the "experts" have to say. I for one have a very healthy lifestyle:exercise, eat right(take care of my temple, do not practice the sin of glutiney..)etc. There are aspects of the "christian lifestyle" that I may not approve of, so I don't practice IT.You don't like this"homosexual lifestyle" don't practice IT. See, harmony!We are all children of Alla,Chrishna,Buddha, Goddess, Mother Earth, and I will pray for you. "




Myrtle Pierce wrote on Apr 28, 2009 10:27 AM:

" I appreciate all of the comments, for and against me. To those who deem me to be hateful and having an "ugly heart," I'm sorry you think that, but it's obvious that you don't even know me. Because we live in the U.S.A. we all have the right to express our opinions, but please try to do it intelligently and kindly. I'm not angry at homosexuals. I believe their lifestyle is sinful, but they are still children of God, whether they see it that way or not! And they all remain in my prayers. "




DmMJ5 wrote on Apr 27, 2009 8:11 PM:

" Great news that we’re living in a “reality” where no child actually suffers from hunger. I guess the pangs go away once their bellies start to swell. Thanks for the wisdom, WC. Don’t let anyone ever tell you you’ve got screws loose. "




Q9bRn wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:55 PM:

" Shame on anyone who would usurp credit for a good work from someone more deserving of the limelight, what with the limelight around here being so spectacular. I’ll be making weekly donations to the Compassion Caravan, as suggested, but I’m giving the credit to Wise Counselor, where it belongs. Sorry, Al. "




Mac wrote on Apr 27, 2009 6:04 PM:

" Wise Counselor - nowhere did Mr. Steuart suggest monetary donations to Caravan of Compassion. Tell me, is it the Christian way to make snide comments disparaging a person's character? "




Ho ho ho wrote on Apr 27, 2009 4:05 PM:

" To Weekender: There’s a letter on this page urging our community to boycott a charitable organization because a gay man gives his time there. If that’s your idea of fun, what does it take to bring you down? I really don’t care if Mrytle Pierce’s feelings are hurt as a result of her having exposed herself here as a bigot. "




Wise Counselor wrote on Apr 27, 2009 1:08 PM:

" Yes, Al, I'll bet you would suggest weekly donations of checks and cash to Compassion Caravan....oh my gosh! "




Wise Counselor wrote on Apr 26, 2009 11:41 PM:

" No children are suffering from hunger, the same people who have donated to those three charitys for 30 years are still doing the same thing. This people of this valley lives in reality, not "conjured up wild tales of people who would usurp credit for good works from people who deserve credit for long term volunteerism." End of story. "




Al Steuart wrote on Apr 26, 2009 3:05 PM:

" I encourage any person to donate items/money directly to the charities named - weekly donations preferable to the monthly collections done by Compassion Caravan - we just offer a "service" to collect and distribute the items. Compassion Caravan involves persons helping persons – “compassion” is not something created by Christians - the Caravan is not a Christian endeavor. I’m having a challenge understanding how a person who encourages others to engage in activities that demonstrate compassion yet can “hate” the same activity of another. I’d rather you be organizing a weekly Compassion Caravan than praying for me! "




Weekender wrote on Apr 25, 2009 9:46 PM:

" So long as everyone realizes that there's no way to reason with the "born agains", and that this is all just good clean fun, no one will get their feelings hurt. I say that as a fallen Catholic ... and I stepped off the cliff myself. "




55mb2 wrote on Apr 25, 2009 11:11 AM:

" I'm with you, Weekender. No facts were twisted. Rather, a question was raised. It's Myrtle who's done the twisting and embellishing. For her it's all about slamming gays and letting underprivileged children starve. Oh, and prayer, of course . . . "




Weekender wrote on Apr 24, 2009 9:31 PM:

" I like the whole human sacrifice angle. It's obviously accurate - Christ himself was a human sacrifice. "




Al Steuart wrote on Apr 24, 2009 10:41 AM:

" Regarding “twisting” of “facts,” is there something I stated that is inaccurate? Christians do worship a God that according to the Biblical account practices human sacrifice – yes or no? If you are “feeling” personally attacked, that is your own interpretation of my words. My objective is to provide you and others an opportunity to THINK about what you are doing and the message you are communicating to all, including children, that beings that practice human sacrifice are “worthy” of being worshipped! I don't choose to "worship" any being - no gods, no masters! "




Sickened wrote on Apr 23, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Christ’s suffering on the cross doesn’t disturb me nearly so much as the thought of some local child going hungry because Ms. Mrytle Pierce, a so-called follower of His, disapproved of his being fed by an organization refusing to discriminate against gays. You have an ugly heart, lady. "




Mac wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM:

" To PMCG - I actually have 3 kids but I agree, the whole "marriage = procreation" thing is nonsense. I've actually heard of a couple of people trying to get something on the ballot where the term "marriage" would be removed completely from legal documents. There would be only civil unions for all, if a couple wanted to be "married" that would be done in a separate non legally binding religious ceremony. I don't see it happening anytime soon, but I could get behind that. "




jfJhH wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:12 AM:

" PMCG, Ms. Pierce is suggesting that we stop feeding the hungry through donations to the Compassion Caravan, because a homosexual gives his time there. She thinks this is the Christian thing to do. Her view is so much more offensive than yours that it’s frustrating to see it derailed by your ranting. Can you follow a subject? Can you stick to it? Try, please. Thanks. "




Mac wrote on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 AM:

" Obviously homosexual relationships don't lend themselves to reproduction. Has anyone considered that might be the point? There are failsafes built into nature designed to keep everything in balance; a species that overpopulates itself suffers and weakens. It would be detrimental for everyone to reproduce so perhaps nature/God arranges it so a certain percentage are less likely to. If we were all of the Quiverfull persuasion our species would be doomed. Give God/nature some credit for knowing what he is doing, even if you don't understand it. Don't you guys always say that God has a plan for all of us? "




Curious wrote on Apr 22, 2009 11:29 PM:

" First of all, there are NUMEROUS documented cases of animal homosexuality, so that comment doesn't hold up. I can find you some links if you would like.

Secondly, Chad is saying that everything that isn't genetic is a choice? Your personality isn't genetic, but I wouldn't exactly say that we "choose" to become the people we become. Our personality develops according to what we experience in life.

By the way, have you ever heard of recessive genes? Until you have ruled out ALL other possibilities, you can't say that it HAS to be a choice. "




DmMJ5 wrote on Apr 22, 2009 7:20 PM:

" Myrtle, I’ve read your piece twice now and find nothing constructive in it. It’s nonsense that you “feel a deep sadness” for Mr. Steuart; he’s made you angry and you want to hurt him; in every line this comes across. As a Christian I’m embarrassed by you. I’ll continue donating to the Compassion Caravan, thanks very much. "




Wise Counselor wrote on Apr 22, 2009 6:53 PM:

" Bravo, Chad! And Celia, animals act out their sexuality whether they are male or female, just like humans they go through puberty before bearing, and also animals have not been given a soul by God, so they know not the difference. Ergo, if it does not fit, they don't do it. Their instincts are God given to reproduce. Maybe you are the one who should take a refresher course in Science again. Isn't it nice to know how loved we are HE would give us choice and free will!
We are blessed indeed! "




Peg wrote on Apr 22, 2009 6:15 PM:

" Shame on you and anyone who discourages contributing to help feed the hungry people in our valley! When WAS the last time you drove to the Food Pantry to drop off two or three cans of food? NEVER? If you're in the market in Mt. Mesa and you see the container, maybe you'll buy one or two cans to drop in on your way out but I guarantee you that you don't even THINK to buy one or extra cans to DRIVE to drop off! Al doesen't benefit from this! You're practicing discrimination...good christian, ha! "




Chad Whiteley wrote on Apr 22, 2009 5:31 PM:

" The myth that homsexuality is genetic has been disproven by science time and time again. Of course, I do not have the words to share it all, but consider the obvious problem of survival for individuals who allegedly possess a gay gene: individuals who have partners of the same sex are biologically unable to reproduce (without resorting to artificial means). Therefore, if an alleged “gay gene” did exist, the homosexual population eventually would disappear altogether. Therefore, we must conclude that homosexuality is a choice. It's actually quite simple when you think instead of believing societal lies. "




celia wrote on Apr 22, 2009 3:03 PM:

" "wise"counselor, Ho Ho Ho you don't spend much time around animals do you? Or watch Animal Planet or Discovery channel.I wonder if the webmaster can track back and find out who you are? Technology is amaizing.....I actually DO agree with ONE thing you said about animals being smarter than man....Oh you just painted youself into an interesting corner... "




Wise Counselor wrote on Apr 22, 2009 2:27 PM:

" Ho, Ho, Ho....now that is funny! Animals do not cross gender lines, i.e. they can tell the difference and...let's face it...it doesn't fit! God made it that way! They know they are designed for procreation.
Then there also is the case, that most animals do not cross their lines between their animus; in other words, they do not mate with animals that are out of their catagory...they truly are smarter then man. "




Curious wrote on Apr 22, 2009 7:22 AM:

" Are you saying that one's sexual orientation is a choice? So, if I may ask, did you choose to be straight? I'm sure that most sane and/or educated people believe that it is not something that is chosen, they are either born that way or they develop into it. Please don't think I'm insulting you, as that is not my intention.

I find it hard to believe though, that this allegedly loving god would punish his creations for being what he made them.

I also have to ask, what do you think of animal homosexuality? Do animals sin? "




Wise Counselor wrote on Apr 21, 2009 11:22 PM:

" Good letter Myrtle, like you suggested, that we all go directly to the source; God's storehouse, Salvation Army and the Food Pantry, well at least 75% of the people in this valley have been doing that for over 20 years, long before Mr Steuart and Ms Holly Spohn Gross decided to "hitchhike" on these local already-long term-established charitys! But again, thanks for the nice letter and the suggestion, there may be a few of those 3 to 5,000 newcomers who did not know those facts. "




Mac wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:51 PM:

" I am not gay; in fact I've been married for over 21 years and have 3 children. So I cannot say that I know how Mr. Steuart and others like him feel. But I can take a guess, and my feelings would not be charitable ones either. Yes, his letter was over the top, but you people chose to vote to nullify his marriage to a partner he's been with longer than many hetero marriages survive. And what's more, you ooze with self-righteousness and fake piety while you admonish him for his "sins". Shame on all of you. "