Taxation without representation


Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:10 PM PDT

The highly insulting issue of strangers being arrogant enough to think they should vote on the marriage of law abiding citizens aside, there is a practical issue staring us in the face at this tax time. Married same sex couples can enjoy a state tax break but have to file as “single” on federal forms, missing out on a HUGE tax break. No wonder some heterosexuals want to keep this marriage thing all to themselves! What magical metamorphosis happens to make married people worthy of such a tax break? This tax law discriminates against singles of every category as well as committed Gay couples. But that’s a whole other letter.

The propaganda touted by the “Yes on prop 8” folks told us that “domestic partnership” is the same as marriage. So, those who wanted to believe that they were not denying anyone the same rights could comfort themselves in this lie. (I remember a nauseatingly cute animated cartoon about the supposed same rights as marriage.) To those who fell for that lie, take comfort no more. The proof is in the tax forms. There is no “domestic partner” label to check, therefore no marriage tax break.

The minds of extreme bigots cannot be changed and I’m not bothering with them. But for those who voted yes on 8 who are basically good people, who were fed a bunch of lies, please think about what I have written. Imagine how it would feel to check “married” on the state form but “single” on federal. How on earth is that equal? How on earth is that fair? How on earth is that ethical? To those who think I should shut up and accept the will of the voters, I follow in the footsteps of civil rights advocates before me and say “NO”! The need for equality is too strong to deny.

Celia Madison

Kernville

Comments

25 comment(s)

    thinker wrote on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 AM:

    " 44 and holding-Will you pay the moving expenses? And find all these movong families jobs? And housing? Really DID anything happen to anyone's marriage lisence when same sex couples got theirs? NO? Well that's the point....the marriage of same sex couples does not affect anyone else..unless of course, your marriage lisence exploded or something.... "

    44 and holding wrote on Apr 28, 2009 1:02 PM:

    " Good idea, check out those licenses, and better yet, go live in Iowa. It has lots of farm land where you should not be disturbed in your same sex marriages--that is a great idea! Vermont also is another good state with welcoming arms for all you guys......and girls! "

    thinker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 8:02 AM:

    " Hey everybody....A whole bunch of same sex partners got married in IOWA yesturday. Go check your marriage lisence to see if anything happened to it. "

    celia wrote on Apr 27, 2009 7:10 AM:

    " RE" tax advice. Let's face it, taxes are confusing no matter what the gender mix.With marriage comes protections and responsibilities, rights and responsibilities. I believe in paying my fair share of taxes! The unfair marriage/Gay marriage laws need to change. There are so many hidden fees that Gay couples have to put up with it's staggering!Knowing that many people voted for propH8 because they thought "domestic partnership" carried the same rights as marriage, I had to speak up. I don't care what you call it, just make it the same for EVERYONE.And again, propH8 proponents lied..... "

    what wrote on Apr 24, 2009 10:42 AM:

    " RE:1040 and IRS. You seem to have missed the point as well as having more confusing blogs. The writer made the point that they were LEGALLY allowed to register "married" on one form but had to lie and say "single" on another. The prop8 supporters said that Gay couples had the same rights as married but that is false-it's there in black and white. I guess when confronted with real proof, these insecure people have to make things up. Face it, people eventually progress toward a more fair and equal society and marriage equality is a part of that. "

    Form 1040A wrote on Apr 23, 2009 6:27 PM:

    " All of you gays who want to be able to file taxes with you "live-in" just remember, a woman who is married to a partner is subject to the tax payments only going on his account, the woman if she gets a divorce later in the marriage, does not get the social security benefit of the spouse--it all goes to the man....what do you all think of that!? "

    IRS Asset wrote on Apr 23, 2009 3:39 PM:

    " To all; The tax break isn't worth the liability. Filing joint/married invalidates your individuality in regards to tax liability. Once you're contractually joined under signed contract with the IRS, your partner's IRS problems are your problems forever and ever. "

    celia wrote on Apr 23, 2009 2:36 PM:

    " Thanks to those who have good, supportive comments! PMCG, excellent point about stressed fake hetro marriages. I know of several of those and it is sad. I remember back in the late 80s the leaders of an "ex"Gay ministry, two married men, got together with each other. So much for their"change". Just like left handed people, you cannot change sexual orientation, behavior yes, but is it honest? I know WAY too many closet cases in fake marriages and in the ministry.The church tried to make me one of them.It takes guts to stand up and be true to oneself. "

    PMCG wrote on Apr 22, 2009 8:43 PM:

    " To Celia -

    I find this entire thing just as frustrating as you do. In all honesty people know that it isn't fair and isn't right, but they're so stuck on themselves they just don't care what happens to anyone else as long as their beliefs aren't being tested by someone else. Gay and lesbian couples lose so very many rights as an American citizen just because they can't get married. There is no more than good reasons for gay and lesbian couples to marry. Less promiscuity, happiness, no critically stressed fake straight marriages... "

    celia wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:55 AM:

    " P.S."wise" one. Please walk a mile in my shoes. Maybe you would LEARN something. But then, you might not have that much courage, besides, you would probably look bad in my shoes....Truth should stand up to questioning and should speak it's name....Really, I pray for you... "

    celia wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:50 AM:

    " Oh "wise" nameless person, I DO feel judged by you and I DEFINATLY do NOT feel the love of christ from you! "You will know they are Christian by their love"...The real christians I know respect me and I respect them. They know they are not God therefore are not in a possition to judge. And they use their brains!We can argue theology, translation and interpretation till we are blue in the face OR we can choose to get along. It's okay to disagree but not okay to treat anyone with anything other than equality. "

    Wise Counselor wrote on Apr 21, 2009 11:39 PM:

    " You are wrong, I am not judging Celia, she is and will be responsible for her actions here on earth, and once again, we all will stand before God, I am glad I am not in Celia's shoes too! "

    celia wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 PM:

    " What's interesting is that, in my letter, I never mentioned god or religion. Yet so many people go there. A point to ponder. My marriage is not about YOU! It seems to be quite narcicistic(sp?) to think that my marriage has anything to do with you, your god or your church.Just as I don't go into your church and vote about what you should do there, you have no business entering my marriage and telling me what set of body parts to fall in love with.Now, when you think about, exactly WHO are the perverts? I pray for you..... "

    true Christian wrote on Apr 21, 2009 12:11 PM:

    " I sure do not want to be in the shoes of wisdom! Talk about judgemental! "Judge not lest ye be judged". And you keep missing the point. Perhaps you judge Celia based on who she is or how you see her through your judgemental eyes.All she is saying is that our civil laws are unfair and should not be based in religious beliefs. As a Christian, I agree with her. And many of us Christian are using a preface of "non judgemental" or something simular as there are so many unChristlike so called "christians" out there. I pray for you! "

    Wisdom wrote on Apr 21, 2009 11:01 AM:

    " Celia: If I posted my name you would judge what I say based on how you know me, when I speak to you and you read what I say, you have to listen to the words, not what your opinion is of me. This is simular to how God will judge us all someday, when we stand before him and he forgives our sins and either allows us to have everlasting life or not, based on how we handled events here on earth. "

    Form 1040A wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:50 AM:

    " Thinker: How does it feel to be judged? All I know is that I will have one less item to be judged by God someday, then the rest of you who say the truth in the Bible about marriage/homosexuality is wrong. Woe to you and I will pray for all your souls as you are commiting a terrible sin in that belief and your actions. Poor, Poor sad people. "

    Truth and Wisdom wrote on Apr 20, 2009 7:31 PM:

    " To thinker: No doubt about it....having sex is fun....married sex is even more fun because you know that person is commited to you and will not (for the most part) give you a disease or be promiscious. Loyalty and Faithfulness are part of that marriage vow, a good marriage is worth all the gold in the world, that must be why the government sanctions it! "

    celia wrote on Apr 20, 2009 2:07 PM:

    " I wonder what the blogs would look like if people had to use real names? This 1040person hides behind a fake name, probably too chicken to admit to such ignorance. I proudly state my name! Now, who do you think deserves more respect? Careful, this question does require THOUGHT...Will 1040 have the guts to say their real name? or will he/she/it keep hiding and send yet another painfully ignorant and confusing post? And just what did 1040 dig through to find their "logical"answer? Is 1040 the "norm"? Is there hope for such a tortured soul? Have fun!Love Celia "

    thinker wrote on Apr 20, 2009 1:28 PM:

    " 1040A-Wow, you are giving comedians good material and god bless the confusing grammar.....So, to follow your "logic", it's the norm to be right-handed. So back when teachers tried to force left-handed students to be right handed by hitting them with a ruler, were they correct? Hitler's norm was blond hair, blue eyes....See the kind of company you are in?I'm going to assume something(which you do frequently)I think you are male(not a man as a real man is secure) and fairly old. The younger generation, for the most part, doesn't care if people are Gay.How does it feel to be judged? "

    Form 1040A wrote on Apr 20, 2009 10:42 AM:

    " I guess if one looks deep enough for
    the logical reason, you could say that marriage between a man and a woman is the norm. When "rules" which have been established for the entire time man has been on this earth are subject to interpretation by a minority, then you have some who do not follow what the majority believe. It is that simple. No one wants to change a man and a woman being married being the norm; all else is of no consequence....live and let live, all have accepted/tollerated homosexuals for eons. Give it up. "

    celia wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:25 AM:

    " 1040A "JUST two single gals living together"-My wife and I are more committed to each other than you will ever understand. The implication that single people, of any orientation, are not as important as married couples is the root of this problem. Newsflash-we have too many people on the planet, we don't need to breed like crazy!And, again, you assume that the only "investment" is to breed and that all the money "single" people make is spent on themselves. Fact:we invest in many worthy causes. Look in the mirror to see who you should really fear... "

    thinker wrote on Apr 18, 2009 9:21 AM:

    " RE:1040A
    Older couples who can't have children still get the marriage tax break. All hetrosexual couples who get married,wheather they concieve or not, get the married tax break. Anyone who has a child gets a child tax credit.Pull your head out of the dark ages. Most people have sex for fun, not to make babies.And most people marry the PERSON they love, not a set of "parts".The truth is that tax codes, along with insurance rules, health care rules etc. are unfair to our Gay and Lesbian friends and neighbors. There is no LOGICAL reason for these rules. "

    Form 1040A wrote on Apr 17, 2009 10:07 PM:

    " But, you are just two single gals living together, so how is that supposed to be an advantage for taxes? The advantage of being married, i.e. one man and one woman married, is that that couple procreate, i.e. have children by natural process, and therefore they get deductions because they do it that way...that is the rule, the single people have always had to pay more taxes, that is another rule, because they usually don't have children and therefore spend all the money they make on themselves and rarely invest, another rule of the land! "

    celia wrote on Apr 16, 2009 2:20 PM:

    " Well form 1040A, maybe you should read and comprehend what I wrote before you give a condescending, and inacurate, comment!
    You missed the point. I do file taxes, have for a few decades. I believe in paying my FAIR share. The point, here it is again, is that my wife and I should be entitled to the SAME tax breaks as our heterosexual counterparts. It's crazy to have to file "married" on one form but "single" on another.And it is a BIG financial difference! Now that I know how large the break is, I question why?PropH8 proponents lied! "

    Form 1040A wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:11 AM:

    " Well Celia...maybe you should just follow the rules and file your taxes just the way we all do....just do it! "

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