Valley residents listen to, contest points in DFG’s report


Published on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:20 PM PST

Cathy Perfect
Kern Valley Sun

The court-ordered injunction that prohibits stocking the Kern River with hatchery-raised trout inched its way closer to resolution Oct. 28, as the California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) held the last public meeting to discuss the department’s Environmental Impact Report/Environmental Impact Statement (EIS/EIR) and take final written comments from the public.

An estimated 100 people, most of whom traveled from the valley to attend the meeting, jammed the Doubletree Hotel in Bakersfield.

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At stake, say local merchants, is the valley’s economic future. They say they're being hit hard by the ruling that stopped the stocking of rainbow trout in the Kern River. Business owners say it's keeping tourists away.

“We estimate our business is down 25 percent from last year,” said Susan Holland, who with her husband, Dewayne, owns Primo’s in Kernville. “This year we appeased them. I’m worried about next year.”

Assemblywoman Jean Fuller’s field representative, Bryan Williams, read Fuller’s written response to Jim Starr of DFG.:

“The economy of the Kern River Valley depends on the continued stocking of fish. My constituents who live and own businesses in the Kern River Valley depend on the Kern River’s continued stocking” she said, “and the tourism that sport fishing brings with it,” Fuller wrote.

“The close proximity of the Kern River to the metro areas of Bakersfield, Fresno, and Los Angeles has contributed to an increase in tourism to this part of my district,” Fuller said. “Despite the downturn of the economy, the annual Kern River Valley Chamber of Commerce’s fishing derby saw a 74 percent increase in paid entries over 2008.”

Fuller continued, “However, because of the prohibition on fish stocking in the Kern River, local merchants have seen as much as a 30 percent reduction in revenues in 2009. Clearly, their misfortune is not caused by the poor economy, but because of a court order to stop the stocking of trout.”

Jim Hunt, speaking to Friends of the Hatchery members in the group’s June newsletter said, “I am very disappointed by the lack of concern and honesty shown by the California Department of Fish and Game at all levels with regard to the fish stocking situation.”

Hunt said he heard, in June, that Fish and Game officials would try to get some areas taken off the "no stocking" list.

"(Last summer) I was informed that they (were) getting ready to negotiate with the plaintiffs (of the lawsuit) on certain bodies of water, but not the Kern River," Hunt said.

The judgment for the injunction to not stock certain waters included a provision that would allow some waters to be removed from the no-stocking list by agreement of both parties (the plaintiffs Center for Biological Diversity & Pacific Rivers Council) and (defendants California Department of Fish and Game.) “DFG could have taken the reports showing no conflict between the hardhead minnow and the rainbow trout to the plaintiffs and requested to have the Kern River removed from the list,” Hunt said. “But they didn’t”

“Five months after DFG was sent documentation supporting the conclusion that there was no issue between the hardhead and the rainbow trout, no effort to remove the Kern from the list has been made,” Hunt said.

“And this after the Director of Fisheries promised me they would do so in February,” Hunt said. “We still do not know why the Kern was not on that list and I do not understand why Fish and Game has not at least provided some insight as to why they did not.” 

Hunt said he is equally dismayed by the lack of response to requests for help from local and state representatives. “Only one elected official, Assemblymember Jean Fuller, has put forth an effort to have Fish and Game resolve the issue,” Hunt added.

History of events

In 2006, Pacific Rivers Council and the Center for Biological Diversity, filed suit against DFG alleging that DFG was in violation of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) by continuing its fish stocking program without conducting an environmental review of the effects of that program.

In May 2007, the Sacramento Superior Court ruled in Pacific Rivers Council, et al., v. California Department of Fish and Game (Case No. 06 CS 01451.) The petitioners noted a special concern for the effects of trout stocking on native species of fish and amphibians. Court documents show the ruling required DFG to comply with CEQA by preparing an environmental evaluation of its fish stocking activities on a schedule approved by the court.

In October 2008, DFG advised the court that they would not be able to complete the EIRs by the deadline date.  This resulted in an injunction against planting certain bodies of water that contained any species on a list of 25 species of concern. The Kern River is home to one of those species, the hardhead minnow, and was placed on the no-planting list until the completion of the EIR in 2010.

DFG reviews EIR/EIS process

Russ Grimes, environmental consultant with ICF Jones & Stokes, and EIR/EIS project director, described to the audience the process required by the court. “Initially, comes the scoping phase, when we filed notice of preparation and a notice of intent,” Grimes said. “This was to be followed by public meetings held in Carson, Bakersfield, Sacramento, and Redding.” Fuller successfully pushed for meetings in the Kern River Valley, too, citing the communities interest and the adverse economic impact the prohibition of fish stocking in the Kern will have.

In the document preparation phase, technical analysis and alternatives are included in the EIR/EIS document. “We are here,” Grimes said, pointing to a diagram noting the process is currently at the public comment period/public meetings point.

Grimes outlined the analysis of the various environmental impacts covered in the report, hydrology and water quality; biology; economics and recreation; mitigation measures; and finally, the recommended alternative 2– Continue the current fish stocking program, but with guidelines.

The timeline (see below)

Art Robinson, of Bodfish, asked, “What’s the timeline? How long is this going to take? How long before there will be fish stocking?”

Starr said, “We have to finish the EIR by Jan 10 and it goes to the judge.”

Grimes added, “In most of the cases I’ve dealt with, it takes about two months for the judge to make a ruling, but no one knows how long a judge will take. It’s anybody’s guess. No one can predict that.”

“So the earliest stocking might resume is February,” queried Robinson. “But we’re probably looking at March, April, or May, right?”

“ Yes, said Grimes. “This is followed by a 30-day comment period,” said Starr. “This is the only wildcard in this process. Anyone can say they contest the EIS/EIR and file a suit that challenges the court’s determination. Then we gather our documents and submit them to another court and start again.”

KRVR’s Richard Rowe, of Wofford Heights, was the last to comment. “The point is that most of us want Alternative 2, DFG’s ‘preferred alternative’, and though some of our comments might seem pointed, the purpose is to help them make the EIR/EIS a better document and less vulnerable to legal challenge,” he said.

Comments

57 comment(s)

    Mac wrote on Nov 25, 2009 10:44 AM:

    " No, Jeff, I definitely don't take it seriously, it's just all in fun.

    Happy Thanksgiving to everybody! "

    Gotta Know wrote on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM:

    " Where is opie? Does anyone out here (there) know who he is and why he hasn't posted since several months ago and he said he was getting up to speed on the posts and would return shortly? I miss him and want to know if he is alive or dead or what?

    Please respond if you remember and/or know opie. "

    Jeff wrote on Nov 24, 2009 6:06 PM:

    " Thanks again Mac. You seem pretty cool. It's kind of fun to watch this blog drama. I just hope noone takes it too seriously and just laugh it all off.And I do hope the fish thing is resolved. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 24, 2009 4:03 PM:

    " Interesting that Mac answers posts for other writers, explaining her version, her sick opinion of others actions, and making sure that others know she is the one who is proper, more educated, and always right, and has the right to intrude on all. She may not know that these very actions show how sick and confused about herself she is, a very sick obsessive compulsive person. End of Story! "

    Mac wrote on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM:

    " Jeff, I'll answer the question about the "dying swan act". Every now and then AR gets very wound up, spazzes out and says she is leaving, which of course never lasts long. She is always back within days, sporting a brand new name, but it's very easy to pick her out. Since Ann said she was going to be posting less, AR jumped on that with both feet and accused her of doing her own "dying swan act". "

    Mac wrote on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM:

    " Ann, it's good to take some time off when things get too negative. It can be wearing on the soul. I hope you enjoy your holidays and come back refreshed. :) "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 PM:

    " Jeff, I don't know who you are, but you would be well advised not to listen to the nay-sayers here. Their brains are all confused with the "Obama kool-aid" and they don't know what else to do but attack anyones opinions if it is different than theirs. Just a word of advice-it is your choice, they are very destructive! "

    Ann wrote on Nov 23, 2009 8:56 PM:

    " Mac, I have become concerned with my "posting when angry by Ann" posts of late, so will tone it down. Of course, I left the window open to change my mind!

    AR,I get so angry when reading some of your posts. However, I get the feeling that you really love me. Too bad, I am straight. Perhaps in our next lives?

    As for the restocking of the river, we NEED this or else we as a community will not survive. I cannot fathom that happening, but it may if things persist. "

    Jeff wrote on Nov 23, 2009 8:15 PM:

    " Mac was great at answering my question. Area republican, where's my answer about the "dying swan act"? I'm really curious. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 23, 2009 5:51 PM:

    " Tony....That is funny! And you have a great sense of humor and I am happy to see that you are not taken up with the obsessions of others here. Kudos to you for "rising above!" "

    Tony wrote on Nov 23, 2009 3:52 PM:

    " The only reason people come to the KRV is to fish? I say kill all the fish they are pooping in my water and I don't like that plus it would make more fresh water for more dogs to be wondering around. I'm mean where would we be without our little rat-dogs to hale around or our very manly pit bull to bit people? "

    Jeff wrote on Nov 23, 2009 2:42 PM:

    " Mac thanks for bringing me up to speed.It's easy to get dragged into a discussion with those types so I don't blame you. It's actually so crazy it's kinda funny!It's been my experience that those who obsess over gay issues are usually afraid of being gay themselves. That's sad. I know many wonderful, happy gay people and I just don't understand that kind of fear.Area republican, what is "the dying swan act"? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM:

    " Ann, I hope you don't leave; it's nice having a voice of reason to balance out the crazy. I agree; it does get a bit tiresome constantly battling ignorance and hatefulness, especially now that the holidays are upon us.

    Jeff, the answer is a certain person likes to rant about gays and liberals no matter what the actual topic is. And her assertions are so completely over the top that some of us unfortunately get dragged into it. Sorry for allowing myself to be pulled off topic into crazytown with its primary resident. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM:

    " Ann you are the one who is from the fiery pits, and hey, it takes one to know one, heh heh heh! Are you doing "the dying swan act" now like you keep accusing me of doing? Hey, looks like you people have realized that all you do and say is exactly what you are and what the progressives do, look at what they are doing to the country, all heck is breaking loose all over the country because of this stupid health reform thing--you demos will be lucky if Obomb does not get impeached for bankrupting this country! "

    Jeff wrote on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM:

    " I'm baffled as to what gays donating food to hungry people has to do with fish stocking? I'm further baffled by the yet to be answered question as to how some "dangerous lifestlye"(gay?) can be transmitted via canned food? I don't know who any of you are so I am picking on noone. Just wondering what is up with the odd connection that is made linking gays to fish, and canned food? Will somebody, anybody please explain this to me? "

    Ann wrote on Nov 22, 2009 9:40 PM:

    " Mac, the reason you are the one being targeted by our friend is because you tell factual information and are more informed on many issues. Those of lesser minds are threatened by that. I truly believe that lady is sick and that is all I have to contribute this evening. I am retiring my posting name of Ann, as of this post, unless replies to ensuing messages grab me into participating. "

    Ann wrote on Nov 22, 2009 9:15 PM:

    " Mac, I am firmly committed into thinking that the main reason AR is on your case spewing venom is because you bring facts and wisdom to the table. Hatred and prejudice cannot be in the same room with facts and wisdom... they are inherent enemies. Thus, AR is quite Pi*sed off.. sort of like Satan in the fiery pits of He**. She is quite the demon, no? Or yes?? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 22, 2009 5:36 PM:

    " Barbara, we all know who you are by now, but I'll call you AR (or whichever personality you answer with) if it will keep you from having a coronary.

    Just answer me this. Do you seriously believe that there is a health issue involved in a gay person distributing food? Because if so, you are incredibly ignorant. And if not, and you're just saying that because you're prejudiced, then that's just a nasty thing to say. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 22, 2009 1:40 PM:

    " Jeff, there are a lot of people on this blog that don't use their own name,(Mac, Con, KRVer, etc,. those who pick me to be strident with are simply obsessed with their own validity and want to be right. I cannot help them. I will pray for them! You should ask them why it is so important to them to learn my name, WHO IS MAC? (There is a sick one!)I could use the same tactics regarding them, but who cares who they are, they are simply someone expressing their own opinions, they are the "thin-skinned" ones! "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 22, 2009 1:33 PM:

    " Mac, not half as disgusting as you are!
    Go take a long walk....on a short pier!
    You will find out some day just how wrong you are! I will pray for your soul that you do not have to pay for the ignorance you display! You are really a sick person to post what you do, and to act towards me like you do! You don't even know me and you hate me! Does that make sense or are you just a basket case all the time, obsessed with people who don't agree with you? "

    Jeff wrote on Nov 21, 2009 9:37 AM:

    " Barbara. If you don't want people to call you Barbara then why don't you say your real name? And what, praytell, is the "dangerous lifestyle" that can magically be passed on by canned food? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:29 PM:

    " I thought I'd seen you post some ignorant things, but this takes the cake. For crying out loud, get some education. Are you seriously implying that a gay person being involved in food distribution to the poor is a health issue? You are not only ignorant, but you are a disgusting excuse for a human being. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 20, 2009 5:40 PM:

    " Mac, perhaps the person you call "Barbara" does not like donated food to be passed from a certain group to the hungry for this reason; would you want someone who lives a dangerous lifestyle to feed you? I don't think so! Now, stop calling me Barbara! "

    Mac wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:09 AM:

    " Barbara, you're the mean-spirited one who wants gays to go away and doesn't like the "wrong" type of people giving food to the hungry. "

    Thoughtful wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:13 AM:

    " Area Republican, it is not the name that you post under that bothers your so-labeled "Liberals", it is what is said under the names posted that is so darned crazy. It has become fun to weed you out under the various names and "measure" you. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 19, 2009 10:28 PM:

    " Scribdog, can I borrow your name for awhile, the liberals on this blog just don't like any name I post under. Well I guess it just must mean they are "mean spirited" and have a very deep seated lack of character; why would anyones name bother them so much? "

    Scribdog wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:26 AM:

    " I think I saw some Coy in the KR . . . Please throw them back if you catch one! "

    Mac wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 AM:

    " Seriously. Even when you post under "Another Health CZAR" and "Another friend" in the "Dry Lake" thread, we know it's you. The crazy just shines through. "

    Thoughtful wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:53 PM:

    " AR, we all know you are Barbara so why do not you post under that name? "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " Now the echo is coming from another part of the blog under a different name!
    Gee, these people who post under "different names" than their real names are sure weird; what is the matter with them, they cannot use their real names? Hummmm, guess they have something to hide? Does this sound like an echo to you? "

    local wrote on Nov 18, 2009 2:06 PM:

    " "Is there an echo in here?" AR. No AR it's those crazy voices in your head again. Time to get your meds checked. Really if you can't answer a perfectly legit question from Peg, then practice quiet time. What is the agenda? Where are the "grants"?If you are as right as you think yourself, then why can't you come up with anything solid? "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 18, 2009 12:09 PM:

    " Is there an echo in here? "

    Peg wrote on Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM:

    " There goes AR again with her agenda crap....I have been asking for months to tell us what the agenda is and what the grants she keeps complaining about are are but, of course, there is never a response other than to call me a socialist liberal. I think wanting to make things better is a good plan but apparently she'd rather stay in a century past. Walk your talk, AR, and enlighten us as to what the agenda is, eh? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:17 AM:

    " I agree Ann. I think we can all find common ground, but some people will disagree just to be contrary. I applaud you for being the bigger person here. "

    Ann wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:52 PM:

    " Mac, no Jesus certainly was not, at least according to the Scripture I read. Actually, I was trying to be nice because I agreed with her points and wanted to say so. I believe in criticism and "atta-boys" both -- carrot and stick. The only way to live life. If the opinions suck, say so. If the opinions are agreeable, say so.

    But, that's just me. "

    Mac wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 PM:

    " Ann, some people are incapable of either extending or receiving an olive branch. I don't think Jesus was like that, do you? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:26 PM:

    " Barbara said, "Most of the environmental issues are simply foolish, prideful and wasteful to mankind, who is the dominent figure here!"

    Do you think before you type anything, or does it just all kind of spew out? Most environmental issues? Like what, clean water and air? Not dumping chemicals, recycling our trash? Or just some environmental issues like the fish thing? "

    Ann wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:24 PM:

    " Darn, my feeble attempt failed and now my heart is broken. Your unkind words are taken with a grain of salt, as is everything you have to say, which, pathetically, isn't much.

    Getting back on topic might be a plan for starters. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:58 PM:

    " Sorry Ann, your feeble effort to relax my guard against all you progressives didn't work; you have too many agendas for me to trust anything you say. If you were not so "hot and cold" on issues and swear by "whoever you believe in" (that is not God,) we might have had good conversation, but your agenda is to "best everyone here" one way or another. You "swing" way too much for me to trust anything you say...too bad....so sad....that is game! "

    Ann wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:51 PM:

    " Area Republican, unless I have mis-read your post below, this is one of the few times that I completely agree with you and personally appreciate your input I am quite fed up with environmentalists, mostly extremists, when the welfare and economy of communities such as ours comes into play. That aside, we need to restock the river and build up the volume of our lake to keep the tourism thriving. Otherwise, we will be fatally hurt. Mac, you are three years older than my son and are intelligent, as he is. "

    marilyn keating wrote on Nov 12, 2009 11:00 PM:

    " As I work in a hospital in Orange County. Most of us work 3 or 4 days per week. We love to do out door things!
    We have done groups over and over again to Kernville. We all do different things..rafting, fishing..eating and drinking, shopping. Even if some people do not fish..we get a lunch together and go to the Lake. We are buying food/gas..to go and have a great day at the Lake. No fish? No reason to go! "

    jim galloway wrote on Nov 12, 2009 4:37 PM:

    " for the last 10 years i and my wife have driven from camarillo ca. to fish the river at least 5 times a year.in 2009 we went once,and caught no fish.sure we are just 2 people, but we did visit the krv 50 times and spent at least $300.00 every time. that's $15,000 dollars.we would love to contribute our hard earned money into your community.let's get this thing settled. "

    Mac wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:36 AM:

    " Scribdog, I definitely agree with you there! This is one of those issues that seems to be a no-brainer. Keep stocking the river! "

    Scribdog wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:39 AM:

    " Mac, back to the subject, we know stocking the river doesn't have a negative effect on the KRV, not stocking it does. We must push to make it happen or do it ourselves. We are many and they are few! "

    Mac wrote on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 PM:

    " AR, we cannot let business and profit alone dictate environmental issues. They do not have the best interests of mankind at heart, only their stockholders. I don't understand why many "conservatives" are upset about the bill our grandchildren are going to be left with but don't care about the environment they will have to live in. "

    Mac wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:58 PM:

    " Scribdog, I agree that the things on many environmentals wish lists go too far. The river thing, for one. I just think rational arguments are more effective than emotional overstatements. "

    Scribdog wrote on Nov 11, 2009 3:36 PM:

    " Mac, do you believe that Hitler sat down with a bunch of anti-Semites and said, “Hey, lets plan a holocaust?” Or did it happen incrementally? I challenge you to use your well-earned free time to research this subject and see what the goals of organizations like the Sierra Club and others like them really are. I am not the only one who thinks the Sequoia Nat’l Monument was a Fed land grab. We took care of that area long before it was a federal zone! Its about control not conservation. "

    concerned wrote on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 AM:

    " Area republican-I know that style of talk. How are you? I'm a minister and I fail to see how some "christians" see caring for the envirnment as "anti christian". Were we not told to be "good stewards of the land"? It's been proven that ever so slight adjustments to out lifestyles can help the envirnment. are we so selfish as to think we can't live a great life that's not so toxic? Not so dependant on overseas oil? are we so bling we can't see how we are past of the ecosystem, not the whole? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 AM:

    " AR - I agree that many of the enironmentalists go overboard in their quest to "save the environment". I am not arguing that you people are wrong, because once again I DON'T AGREE WITH NOT STOCKING THE RIVER. There are enough solid, rational arguments to be made here without making ridiculous ones like, "they want to take away our freedom". "

    Mac wrote on Nov 11, 2009 11:03 AM:

    " Scribdog, what is "paranoid and delusional" is the statement that "environmentalists want to hurt Americans and take away our freedom". Now, do you really think a bunch of environmentalists got together and said, "you know, Americans just have too much freedom. Let's figure out a way to take some of those away"? "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 10, 2009 9:56 PM:

    " Now I can understand you better, knowing that you are 43 years of age.
    The reason we have worked for the betterment of America, and have not let environmental issues take prescendence over mankind, we realize some of the issues insisted upon by the environs damage the well-being and livlihood of Americans. The reason we have developed these guidelines, we feel it is prudent to make sure we are not taking away what is worthwhile to man. Most of the environmental issues are simply foolish, prideful and wasteful to mankind, who is the dominent figure here! "

    Scribdog wrote on Nov 10, 2009 2:32 PM:

    " Mac, if I’m paranoid and delusional, you are proof that ignorance is bliss. The amount of public land that is off-limits to the public is growing everyday. The usurping of private property rights and access to public lands via unconstitutional environmental laws are outrageous.
    If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. "

    Mac wrote on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM:

    " AR, I've lived here since 1977, when I was 11, except for the time I was away in the service. So this is my home. And I guess you must have missed the part where I said I believe the river should continue to be stocked.

    What I take exception to is the characterization of environmentalists as people who want to "hurt America and take away our freedom". If one believes that is truly their agenda then they are paranoid and delusional. "

    Area Republican wrote on Nov 7, 2009 8:05 PM:

    " Mac, I am curious, where did you live before you came here to KRV? What did you do for a living? When you moved here to this valley, what attracted you to live here? Was it the anticipation of closing down campgrounds and stopping fishing in this area? What is your motive for backing the environs? Are you aware of how not stocking trout will kill all business in this area? Are you part of the group who wants to make a "little Aspen" out of Kernville? "

    jack mackey wrote on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 PM:

    " So what does "Alternative 2" consist of? "

    Mac wrote on Nov 4, 2009 3:00 PM:

    " Okay, I agree the river should continue to be stocked. But I take exception to the assertion that "environmental whackos" want to "hurt America and take away our freedom". I think they just have different opinions about things and one can disagree without getting ridiculous and over the top about it. "

    Scribdog wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 AM:

    " Who's river is this? Who takes care of it? The people of the KRV - that's who! This is just another outrageous display of environmental whackos at work with another frivolous lawsuit intended to hurt America and take away our freedom. Humans are what made this country great not some little fish. "

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