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Truth of course wrote on Sep 28, 2010 11:06 PM:

" Which issue is that, Straight, your problem with people who don't agree with you and your people should be able to spread hate, disease, twisted thinking all over the world, or your inability to see the "light" at the end of the tunnel? You know the end of the tunnel is coming fast, watch November 2nd, 2010....one big quick sweep of trash removal from the legislators in Washington, DC....Don't count your chickens and don't forget....I belong to the MAJORITY! "




str8notH8 wrote on Sep 28, 2010 9:10 AM:

" A simple google fact check proves Mac correct.Namaste is from sanskrit meaning "Indian from India" not Native American. But, as we have seen regarding facts on Gay people, "truth" just can't handle them. I read a study on the issue of certain brains being unable to get facts and "truth" is one of them. If we were to vote on facts instead of bigotry, propH8 would not have existed let alone pass. I hold out hope for fact over fiction on this issue. "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 27, 2010 6:49 AM:

" Mac: Now who is being the "last word candidate?" Regarding the word "Namaste," I prefer to use my term of its origination, as I believe that self-help "mind control" exercise, "New age" terminology, and your willingness to be right in all things (not an admirable trait in women)is in error. I believe in the integrity of the United States language, its forefathers, its Constitutional development's worth, and have had enough of all the new political correctness of todays Baby Boomers who seem to have adopted the mind set of the "hippies" in the 1960's. Does this help you any? "




Mac wrote on Sep 24, 2010 11:03 PM:

" "Namaste" is an Asian Indian term, not Native American. "




Truth wrote on Sep 20, 2010 11:51 PM:

" Well Straight, you are somewhat right, "namaste" is Native American Indian for "peace be with you"...."Yoga" might have used it but that word was here in America long before yoga was taught here, and please don't threaten me with witchcraft either, I know the diety (I am a child of God) that can lower all those "phoney ones" in a FLASH...remember Sodom! P.S. I wrote an explanation to the other question but it was not posted. "




str8notH8 wrote on Sep 20, 2010 5:22 PM:

" Good question KRVer! Although the spelling is off, often the case on blogs so no worries, my guess is "namaste", whch is a simple, peaceful salutation often said in yoga classes. My guess is that Barbara can't handle any kind words so she calles them witchcraft. I know some wonderful witches who may be able to help Barbara get to the real thruth, but she would have to want it. DADT and propH8 are on their way out and none too soon. Crazy bigots will pitch a fit but fair minded people rejoice!Namaste! "




KRVer wrote on Sep 20, 2010 7:15 AM:

" Which words would that be, truth? Universe or ??? "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 16, 2010 11:42 PM:

" Ken: I think you should be careful; Miz Celia is using witchcraft words.....heh heh? "




celia wrote on Sep 16, 2010 6:31 AM:

" Ken. Oh good! You are not out to police the universe, me or any other law abiding citizen. Then I guess we can count on you to not force religious beliefs into civil law, as in propH8, ever again right? Share all you want, just not at the voting booth.

And I will share with you that my wife and I have a valid marraige license. It would be nice if religious fanatics would stop trying to take it, and the rights that go with it, away. Namistay! "




Ken wrote on Sep 15, 2010 3:35 PM:

" Celia: I am not policing the universe, just sharing. As for "in-equality" marriage itself is for one man and one woman. Apples and oranges! "




celia wrote on Sep 15, 2010 2:51 PM:

" Hey Ken, if you want to follow the "laws" in the Bible, by all means do so, knock yourself out, have at it, be my guest. But to say that I, a non believer, have to follow your interpretation of a questionable book of metaphores, is wrong. Reading the Bible literally, God seems to detest much that many people do. But did your "god" ever tell you to police the universe?(taliban like) No. The only commandment that "Christ" ever gave with regard to me, your neghbor, was to love and judge not. Inequality isn't love. "




Ken wrote on Sep 15, 2010 9:37 AM:

" Celia: Read John 14:12-25. This is how we honor the Father, by keeping His commands. This is how we show the Father our Love for Him. Keeping the Sabbath Holy, eating clean, and doing our best to be an example so that others will get the message and want to know why we do what we do. The Bible is the Living Word, the same yesterday, today and forever. Modern science and psychology does NOT replace the Word of God ever. Does not mean Christians don't love you, but it's ok to detest as God does! Blessings! "




to chris wrote on Sep 15, 2010 8:55 AM:

" Why? Do you follow the letter of the Bible? Do you stone your wife and sell your children? Do you eat shellfish? It's a great piece of literature but not a manual for life. "




celia wrote on Sep 15, 2010 5:36 AM:

" Minister. Are you local? If so, I'd like to meet you. I met Rocko Erico several years ago:cool guy!

We could have fun with Lev.25:44 re slaves,11:7 and 19:19 re shellfish and pigs,19:27 re beards and don't forget Deut 21:18-21 re stoning disobediant children. We could go on but I think you get the picture:christians pick and choose what to take literally or not from a very fallible book. Those who use modern science, psychology, medicine and reason understand that many biblical laws are outdated, including Gay issues. The christian taliban needs to get real and stop hating. "




chris wrote on Sep 13, 2010 10:07 PM:

" People please,turn off Oprah and Dr phil on the tv and pick up the BIBLE, and read it. "




To Minister wrote on Sep 13, 2010 5:42 PM:

" Ordained by who? There is no fear here! I would have thought you'd had higher standards. Protecting standards, like the sanctity of Marriage between one man and one woman. Lev 18:22,20:13 Ezra 9:14, Prov. 28:9, Jer 44:22, Ezekiel 7:4, 16:43, 33:29.....Many will pay for the detestable sin of a few...not spoken from a place of fear, but Truth! The majority have spoken. Why do you condone the opposite? It's a crazy backwards world out there.....Oh yeah! We were told that it would be this way over a thousand years ago! Don't be hypocrites, you have to love me too! "




minister wrote on Sep 13, 2010 7:50 AM:

" I see so much fear in these post! Love cast out fear. For good, educated reading on the Bible in general, God and Gays in particular, I suggest the author Rocko Erico,phd several times over and he knows what he is talking out.Whenever fear is a primary motivator, bad things always happen. Gay people and same sex marriage are nothing to fear. "




minister wrote on Sep 13, 2010 7:44 AM:

" Ken

What do you mean? As an ordained minister, I find it disturbing how many people fail to actually study context, history and social atmosphere of the Bible. I've heard people imply that "all" will pay for the sins of a few refering, falsly, to homosexuality being the downfall of Sodom etc., and that, somehow, Gays are the modern scapegoat. This is untrue, unfair, unjust and un Christlike.Ken and others who falsly believe that, get educated. And MYOB. Even IF a just God would condemn Gays(not true) why would he bring others to condemnation? Scapegoating is unChristlike. "




Ken wrote on Sep 12, 2010 3:06 PM:

" I find it ironic that having standards to live by is considered intolerant. Just because someone feels it necessary to preserve things like traditional marriage they are considered homophobic. Who is being intolerant? Some laws are just unchangeable, but still breakable. All it amounts to is defiance. Sadly, we all pay for the defiance of a few! Also, even sadder is that the few will pay even more at then end. Blessings! "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 11, 2010 7:34 PM:

" OK, all of a sudden you two have become too nice for me.....farewell to you "left handers"---no one wishes you better health and happiness than me....
I would like to see peace on this blog forever and no one acting like bullys! "




Gail Korner wrote on Sep 11, 2010 5:57 PM:

" After reading the posts before and after mine, I have reinforced my opinion that I would rather be gay than be homophobic. I am neither, but if I had to choose, my choice is indicated herein. I truly pity those who are intolerant and narrow-minded and repulsive to those who have acceptance, tolerance and love in their hearts. Must be a pit to be so unhappy and hateful, yes, hateful. "




Peg wrote on Sep 11, 2010 10:06 AM:

" Yes, I am comfortably hetrosexual but I honor the righr of people to live as they choose. And if you look around, my dear truth, you will find tha many states have already legaized the right to marry who you love so saying the US won't accept it archaic. Have a Blessed day. Celia, my friend, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! "




celia wrote on Sep 11, 2010 8:49 AM:

" BTW. Both Peg and I use our real names on these post. We have no need to hide our identity as we are proud to be the kind, thoughtful people we are. I'm not absolutly sure, but the Peg I know is comfortably heterosexual so "truth", you lie again.

Now, It's my birthday and my family is on our way to our favorite resort and spa to celebrate. I will not desturb our relaxation by looking at this post. "truth" I really do wish you peace! Peg, Ann,Taylor, Michaele, str8 and other supporters, thank you! "




celia wrote on Sep 11, 2010 8:43 AM:

" Dear "truth".My lifestyle is very healthy:don't smoke, drink or chew, exercise and eat healthy. If you've got something against that, well, whatever. With regards to the segregation you seem to want, I'm sure other bigots liked the "good ol days" before women could vote, interacial couples could marry and blacks "knew their place" in the back of the bus. You can choose to be angry about possitive change if you want. But there are those who choose to see how wonderful it is when people are judged not by whom they love, but wheather they love. Peace! "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 10, 2010 12:39 PM:

" Peg: Then stop trying to shove your issue down my throat! I will never accept a change in law, do you hear me, a change in law that was developed long ago. Take your civil rights and be happy with them, just like we have to accept your having that right, to be as your say you were born! We don't like it, we will not accept it here in this United States! If you want to live that way go to Amsterdam....that country rewards people who believe as you do! "




Peg wrote on Sep 10, 2010 10:01 AM:

" Truth, this is my FIRST post on this thread and how dare you use my name at all! Keep me out of your twisted politics please. Ever hear the serenity prayer? "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things that I can and the WISDOM to know the difference." This isn't somthing you can change....if you're homophobic, fine, but let others live as they choose...it's none of your business! "




Ann wrote on Sep 10, 2010 7:02 AM:

" "How does this affect my marriage"? Assuming we are talking about gay marriages, NOT ONE BIT. It has been said in other posts, if you do not agree, don't. No one is asking for agreement. What the issue is, is fairness under law with equal rights to every man and woman, whatever their religious beliefs, whatever their sexual orientation, whatever their skin color. Who is anyone who would deny others equality due to their own lack of tolerance and/or personal bias? "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 9, 2010 11:57 PM:

" Dear Celia: Then stop trying to get us to accept your lifestyle. For years everyone just let you people alone in Northern California and Hollywood and Amsterdam....then you all decided to change our constitution to suit your desires, that does not work! We do not change it for every whim we think up either, just do your civil rights thing and go back in the closet! PLEASE! I do not hate anyone, I feel very sorry for all you people, it must be difficult to be "left-handed!" "




celia wrote on Sep 9, 2010 6:59 AM:

" Fact check. The CA Supreme court won't force the state to defend prop 8 as it is unconstitutional.

My wife and I have a CA Marriage lisense, as do 18000 other couples.

If you don't like it, by all means, don't have or attend a same sex wedding.There are many things I don't like, including many religions, yet I don't deny them the right to worship as they please. I simply stay out of their churches.

For sanity purposes, I don't post here often but thanks to the supporters who do. "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 9, 2010 12:31 AM:

" Straight, you just can't understand that the majority rules; i.e. the vote was huge in favor! No matter what you say, no one is going to tell you what you practice is right, it is not right, it is wrong! I can't believe how passionate you are about this issue, Peg, or are you Celia, I guess I can call you a name since you keep calling me one? "




Taylor Tagger wrote on Sep 8, 2010 7:17 PM:

" Truth,,, Is this how you fill your days? Going around putting people down and spreading your gross hate for everyone and everything? Get a life already. Let people post their news without you trying to bring everyone down. Wonder if its in the Bible anywhere that treating people like you do is a sin? I pray for your soul. "




str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 8, 2010 7:09 PM:

" To poster: Let me make this simple for you. "YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU DON'T WANT IT" Fine! YOU don't have to marry someone of your own gender. But get this: Gay people don't like it, don't want it with regards to opposite sex marriage. So if you haters would just live and let live,MYOB and keep your nose out of others lives the world would be a better place.

Other countries don't hate us because of Gay marriage. They hate us for smug, greedy, condesending attitudes. "




To str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 8, 2010 5:21 PM:

" Let's us make this simple for you! The majority voted that: "WE DON'T LIKE IT and WE DON'T WANT IT". So, now...you're going to "MAKE US" like it anyway! Hey, thanks for that! We'll change our minds real soon....NOT! What a price we pay for living in a free country! Do you have any clue why the world hates us? It's our own fault for letting our society decline to this level! "




str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 8, 2010 3:21 PM:

" This IS a civil rights issue, Barbara. and the whole catholic church vs other denominations of christianity is a classic case of why religion has not place in civil law. Which religion do we choose? The implications are staggering. And who are you to judge anyway? How many marriages have you had? Remember, some churches don't allow more than one. Finger pointing again I see. Ann happens to have a male husband, one that is. One can be straight and secure unlike the homophobic haters. "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 PM:

" Anne: I know you are just "baiting the issue" by using this; as far as the Catholic church is concerned, anyone who uses birth control (no matter what kind) is in sin. That is the "religious issue" regarding birth control; some feel it is wrong, some feel it is right. There is no issue about "not having children" even if you are gay or not. This is not a civil rights issue to start with. How does that affect your marriage, assuming your "husband" is a male, not a female? "




str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 7, 2010 4:18 PM:

" Judge Walker got "slapped around"? Considering his ruling has the backing of the Bar Association and is must read for law students, that's hardly "slapped around". Texas does lots of odd things and Ann has the best come back for that. And "lord help us", he is. He sent a judge that uses facts and reason to counter lies and bigotry. The fact is that there is simply a "stay" on the ruling(imposed by Walker) to give the pathetic propH8 defense time to dream up proof that same sex marriage is harmful..good luck as it isn't. "




Ann wrote on Sep 7, 2010 2:43 PM:

" Just curious. If my husband had a vasectomy and we cannot procreate, does that make our marriage sinful and against god's plan? Inquiring minds and all. "




Michael wrote on Sep 7, 2010 5:30 AM:

" Truth, yes you're correct. I must have missed that information. I'm not completely up to date with the news. But that's just horrible. There's parts of the world that don't believe in your right to free speech, or the other rights you feel is god-given. It would be fruitless of them to attempt to use logic to deter your own feelings from that, because in your heart you know what is right...to you. In my heart I feel marriage is about love, and if two people love each other regardless of sex, they should be married. "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 6, 2010 11:34 PM:

" Update: Judge Walker got slapped around this week, he kidded himself not seeing a rational reason to limit marriage to one man and one woman. Last Tuesday, a Texas court of appeals took exception to that ruling that the inability to pro-create does constitute a rational basis to ban gay and any "other forms of marriage!"---how about them apples! "




chris wrote on Sep 6, 2010 5:48 PM:

" LORD HELP US!!!!!!!!! "




Truth of course wrote on Sep 5, 2010 2:46 PM:

" Michael: You must not have read, Judge Walkers interpretation/ruling was appealed by a higher court. At this time, it is still not recognized as marriage, it is still just considered "a civil union" of which it is, marriage means "between a man and a woman" the same as since time began. I am sure 99% of the people you are giving wishes to, also recognize it still is not recognised by all peoples, as it was given that standard by a judge that was in "conflict of interest" just like Kagan was with Obummer! Sorry! "




Michael wrote on Sep 5, 2010 12:01 PM:

" Congratulations on gay couples in the valley finally able to marry. This right is long overdue, and it couldn't have come at a better time. Let the haters speak their mind, logic isn't for everyone. "




str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 1, 2010 8:49 PM:

" Hmmm, I look through the post and Celia talked to Ken, not John. I have responded to John who can't spell my post name. Great observation of an inability to see facts in front of you. I guess people with no facts resort to that sort of thing. But I have hope for you Johnny boy, repeat what you wrote in the mirror and you are on your way to healing. Yeah Portia and Ellen and all same sex couples who have PROVEN that their marriage harms noone! "




John Perry wrote on Sep 1, 2010 6:31 PM:

" Celia, straight8 you with the help of the biased journalists, I use that term loosely, at KVS have convinced me there is nothing to be gained attempting a dialogue with those that are selfish,lack understanding and empathy and have no desire to have a civil discourse.
Goodbye, your not worth my time. "




str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 1, 2010 3:23 PM:

" John quit being a whiner! The fact that the KVSUN prints your whiney post is proof that they are not bias. I've had a few of my post not printed either and I just guess I slipped on the rules. You whine about not being able to discriminate against our Gay neighbors, whine about your "will" being overturned by a very reasonable judge and whine about not all post getting printed. Get over it! You are probably not as respectful as you see yourself to be.

KVSUN thanks for the post, both printed and not printed. "




str8notnarrow wrote on Sep 1, 2010 2:54 PM:

" John, IF you are for full constitutional and civil rights for Gays, why not marriage? It is considered such a basic civil right that even convicted murderers on death row can marry.And if you don't see Gays as second class citizens, why not FULL equality? And why does any other lawfull citizens marriage have anything to do with you to the extent you should vote on it?

"truth" you just plain sound crazy no matter what your wording.

Both you and all who voted for propH8, why should you vote on another lawful citizens marriage? "




John Perry wrote on Sep 1, 2010 9:48 AM:

" Once again KVS censors differing points and opinions stated in a civil manner in response to a direct question.
Once again the the KVS is displaying their biases and favored segments of our society.
For weeks KVS allowed the most egregious, vile attacks on a person they and a local extreme protectionist group dislike, with no censordhip, yet censor comments they deem hurtful to their gay community.
KVS does have an advantage over the gay communities and those that disagree with them. KVS just does not publish the differing opinion.
Honest journalism is indeed dead! "




John Perry wrote on Aug 31, 2010 10:56 PM:

" Straight8, I have nothing against gays nor do I consider them second class citizens.
Gays are entitled to any and all Constitutional and Civil Rights.
I've always supported gay rights.
Because myself and others differ in opinions on marriage gays want to deprive us of our Constitutional and
Civil Rights by calling us hateful, liars, homophobes and other vile names in an attempt to shut us up.
You can't deprive me of my differing opinion.
In my last post I attempted to use a less inflammatory word than pedophilia but the KVS would not allow it. "




Truth of course wrote on Aug 31, 2010 10:31 PM:

" Straight: Alright, I will say it this way; how long are we going to allow liberal gay judges to over rule the vote of the American people? Does that fit your agenda? Does saying it that way allow you to continue to argue your point? "




Ken wrote on Aug 31, 2010 6:29 PM:

" Well one more not posted! Great job of censorship! Make sure you keep leaning to the left folks! "




str8notnarrow wrote on Aug 31, 2010 3:57 PM:

" LOL! "Truth" you crack me up. "how long are we going to let this minority rule us?"How are Gay people who want to marry other Gay people "ruling" you? Get real! And John, what is it with a group of lawful citizens wanting equality meaning that they "countermand" the majority of voters who stuck their nose where it has no business being? You should not vote on anyones marriage but your own, period!

Again, HOW are you two hurt by same sex marriage? You cannont answer in a reasonable way and neither can anyone else. "




Truth of course wrote on Aug 31, 2010 12:17 AM:

" You are so very right John Perry, and how long are we going to let this minority rule us? "




Truth of course wrote on Aug 30, 2010 5:15 PM:

" Yes, John, liberal judges now have the power to overthrow decisions/votes of people who have way more brain power and understanding of human nature, that is the problem with this nation today. We have become "politically correct" and apologetic to those whose brains are "left handed also." We will die, yes, not with a shout, but with a whimper! "




Ken wrote on Aug 30, 2010 3:49 PM:

" Gail: Sadly, some people have been led to believe one can be born gay. Over time, even lies are seen to become truth. Fight for equality. Someday, dogs will be able to vote. None of that changes truth. As I sad before normal is average. Wouldn't that be 50%? Sanctity means set apart. Something very special. It is totally nonsense to believe that anyone was thinking of gays when that was said. This country was founded by Godly people. How could anyone stand in support of this country if it wasn't? "




John Perry wrote on Aug 29, 2010 8:57 PM:

" The really sad commentary on this issue is a very small minority of Americans, Californians, rely on activists judges to force their wishes and countermand that which a MAJORITY of us have done according to the Constitution of California and the Law. "




Gail Korner wrote on Aug 29, 2010 1:15 PM:

" Further, I am left-handed. I grew up in the era when being left-handed was being one step below pariah (sp?). From sports (baseball mitt) to scissors, shape of school desks/chairs, etc. The USA began to slowly compensate for left-handed people and now products are readily available. So, what about open-mindedness and compensation for those who were born gay? They can't help their sexual inclination any more that I could help being left-handed. I could not change without suffering severe stuttering problems. So, what's the prob? "




Gail Korner wrote on Aug 29, 2010 1:07 PM:

" To Ken: How exactly do you know that the term "sanctity of marriage" was not coined with gay marriage in mind? And if you will never accept gay marriage or gays, for that matter, so be it. Don't accept them. No problem. The problem is denying them equal liberties just because you don't agree with them. "




Ken wrote on Aug 27, 2010 10:55 AM:

" Same sex marriage will NEVER be truly equal. The term 'sanctity of marriage' was not coined with same sex in mind. I realize I will never convince anyone. The point is that the issue dilutes something sacred reguardless of divorce rates or peoples opinions or anything. Future generations are affected and the sanctity of marriage means less. Never will I be convinced it's ok and I will never consider homosexuality normal, natural or anything less than an abomination and a contribution to the degradation of our society. "




celia wrote on Aug 27, 2010 7:36 AM:

" Wow Ken, if we base equality on your version of "normality" as you suggested, then a whole lot of people are up for unequal treatment including our left handed friend. You may wish to rethink your prerequisits for equaity.

"Natural" it's natural for some to be left handed and beating it out of them(once was done) doesn't work. Same holds true with same sex and other race attraction. Natural, not harmful, health expression of love= sounds good. and don't worry, I would never dream of forcing you to go against your nature, the same respect is due. "




str8notnarrow wrote on Aug 26, 2010 2:44 PM:

" Ken you have an odd idea of normal vs average. Using your "logic" since left handed people are not "normal"(I am BTW) should we not have equal rights?

I suggest you look up statements by the American Pshchological Association on homosexuality being a normal variation of human sexuality. Educate yourself out of obvious ignorance on this subject.

If marriage between a man and woman is so special, why are there so many divorces? And why multiple marriages? And, again, HOW does Gay marriage affect hetrosexual marriage? Hasn't affected mine at all. "




Ken wrote on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 PM:

" str8notnarrow: Being left handed is still not normal. Being attracted to a different race is still not normal. Normal is being average, regular etc. Until you reach 50% these things will be abnormal. Marriage between a man and a woman is a special thing. Why dishonor that? "




str8notnarrow wrote on Aug 24, 2010 5:04 PM:

" Ken. At one time it was considered abnormal to be left handed. At one time it was considered abnormal to be attracted to a person of a different race. You will not find homosexuality in a modern abnormal psychology book. It's 2010 and modern science, medicine and psychology have shown homosexuality to be normal for at least 10%(if not more) of the population. "




str8notnrrow wrote on Aug 24, 2010 3:48 PM:

" Weel said Al! i read Judge Walkers ruling and it is outstanding in it's proof backed up by legit studies. My understanding is that the pro prop 8 lawyers have to prove that same sex marriage is harmful; they can't do it as there is no proof of harm.

I look foreword to the day when this is a non issue and is treated the same as differences in ice cream flavors. "




Ken wrote on Aug 24, 2010 2:17 PM:

" Just wondering how can something be based on equality if it is not normal? Normal bring the average, regular, occurring naturally. "




celia wrote on Aug 16, 2010 5:54 PM:

" Happy Anniversary Portia and Ellen! Two years of wedded bliss! Now, let's see, who has been harmed and HOW by these two wonderful women being married? "




celia wrote on Aug 12, 2010 12:33 PM:

" Yeah Al, I have yet to meet any hetrosexaul couple who feels that our marriage to our respective partners has hurt there marriage. No proof whatsoever. Hmmm? So what did prop H8 accomplish? Oh yes, Judge Walker answered that one, brilliantly so! "